Showing posts with label happiness. Show all posts
Showing posts with label happiness. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 26, 2014

Part 2 of 2 Kade Kimber: God simply loves me for who I am--His child.

Kade with his sister Kodi
 Blogger's note: I've started this update with the last paragraph of part 1. If you want the whole Kade Kimber story be sure to read his mother Brenda's post which is before Kade's. I feel very blessed to have the opportunity to feature this beautiful story on my blog. On a personal note, since I've started the blog, I've already seen an increase in understanding in my area on this issue. If you wish to contribute to this blog please contact me through the email provided on the right side. This blog has evolved from what I had first envisioned. Initially, I thought I would concentrate on mothers with gay children, but I think it really adds to bring the voices of the person most impacted and that's the LGBT child. Admittedly, if you are LGBT you might be in a position where you were damaged by the people who are supposed to love you the most. You may not have had the exemplary parents that I have featured here. Hopefully, through education parents will know that their first reaction is critical. But if you think your story can teach others, let me know.

By Kade Kimber
I called my mom first. After fumbling for the right words, which is never really a problem for me, Mom said, "Honey, just say it. Tell me what you're trying to say." I said, "Mom, I think I might be bi." Saying I thought I might be bi, rather than just saying I was sure I was gay, was as far out of my comfort zone as I could go at the time. Since then, I've learned that this is VERY common for those first coming out of the closet. It was a first step, anyway, so that was something. My mom replied with, "Honey, what took you so long? I've known since you were little. Your aunt, grandma, and I used to talk about it when you were young and I've just been waiting for you to come to me in your own time. I just didn't think it would take this long. But, it doesn't matter to me if you're bi or gay. All I want for any of you kids is to have you be happy and healthy. You're the same exact Kade I loved five seconds ago and that will never change. So, can we just accept this and get on with life so that you can now be happy?"

It was such a relief--of epic proportions, in fact. Though on one hand I was admittedly a little angry that my mom knew the whole time and didn't say anything, I also knew that I'd have shut down immediately and gotten defensive if she'd have approached me about it. She truly did know best and allowed me to come to the realization on my own, and she was there to support me when I did. I couldn't have asked for anything better. Similar scenarios played out with the five other people I told over that night and the next--my two big sisters, my two best friends from childhood, and a close friend who happened to be someone I baptized while on my mission. They were all equally as supportive and I feel so blessed to have had that kind of coming out experience.

A few months after this, I still hadn't really told anyone beyond those initial confidants, but life was looking on the up and up. I felt like a weight beyond all weights had been lifted from me & the energy from it was amazing to me. I shifted my prayers from "please take this from me--and if not this, then my life" to "please help me get through this". That altered approach alone was life-changing. It was also during this time that I decided that I needed to get a dog; even though I was "out" to some people and that reduced my feeling of isolation significantly, it didn't take away the fact that I still was essentially a hermit & I thought a dog would help get me out of the apartment more. I got my dog, whom I named Matza Ball, right at the same time my lease was ending with my then-roommate. It couldn't have happened at a better time. I never came out to my roommate while we lived together; he made so many anti-gay jokes and was such a violent person (like when he almost punched a hole in the wall simply because he spilled some soda on the kitchen floor)  that I didn't dare tell him. He was also LDS, but that was about the extent of our similarities.

I moved into a new apartment complex and specifically got a non-LDS roommate. I needed someone who could accept me for who I was without fear that they would try to guilt trip me every chance they got. It was just what I needed while I figured things out. Things were falling into place rather nicely. I loved my new apartment, I got along fine with my roommate, and I had Matza Ball to keep me company & to get me out of the house. Every Friday night, I'd wind down from a long week of work by taking Matza on an extended walk. It was great for the both of us. It was while we were on such a walk one evening that we bumped into my neighbor from across the hallway while he was out walking his dog. We'd seen each other in passing while out with our respective dogs, but hadn't ever spoken. This particular night, we said "hi" to one another...and then I glanced back to find that he was looking back at me, too. I wasn't prepared to handle this, but I did know that I wanted to find out more about him--and if the reason he was staring back at me was because he was attracted to me as much as I was him.

So, the next day, I knocked on his door. I told him I hadn't ever introduced myself and apologized for that and then we started chatting. I decided to be brave and casually mentioned that I'm gay. It felt so incredibly strange to say that to another human being. He was the first to hear the actual words from my mouth. And, after a little bit of fishing and coaxing, he finally admitted he's gay, too. We started hanging out together, and then that turned into dating. Again, I hadn't prepared for this. I had planned on remaining an active and worthy member of the Church. But, I was beginning to realize what this would mean for my life in terms of relationships. And I wasn't so sure I was OK with a life of loneliness after all.
After dating this guy for a while, I finally decided to share it with one of the two people who spoke to me at church--and she, incidentally, was a good friend of mine that I knew on my mission. I had become very close to her family while I was a missionary and she was like the bratty little sister that was fun to torment. That relationship turned into a great friendship after moving back here, so I felt like it was time to share my news with her. On one hand, it was a mistake; on the other, it fast-tracked a resolution I'd not expected.
By this point, I'd already told her I was gay, but hadn't mentioned I was dating. When I did, she flipped out and made me promise to go visit with our bishop immediately. I didn't really want to, but I promised nonetheless. So, off to the bishop's office I went. I'm not sure what I expected as an outcome of that meeting, but I definitely wasn't expecting things to go the way they did. The bishop told me I wasn't gay, that my wires were just crossed, and that he knew a counselor that could "fix" me. None of that shocked me to hear, though it did hurt my feelings to think that--while said in truly the most loving of ways--anyone viewed me as having my wires crossed. It made me feel like I was less-than. More like I was a sub-human. But the strangest thing happened that I'd never in my life done before--I pushed back & questioned my bishop's counsel.

I told him that I had done the counseling route and I knew that my wires weren't crossed, nor was I broken. At the same time, I also knew I couldn't go back into the closet. I explained that it was such a dark and scary place from which I fought so hard to escape, so there would be no going back at that point. The words and the passion with which I said them completely shocked me. It was the first time I felt like I was starting to stand on my own two feet in all of this. Sure, I knew there was the possibility that my membership in the church I loved would be revoked due to my decisions and actions, but by then I'd learned something bigger: God loved me. God didn't warrant that love upon how many hours I spent in a pew, or how many hours of scripture reading I completed, or how diligent I was with my home teaching. No. God simply loves me for who I am--His child.

I had taught this as a missionary; I had never in my life felt it for myself. It was elusive and frustrating. In fact, I remember many, many monthly meetings with my mission president in which he encouraged me to set the goal of learning of God's love for myself. I don't think either of us in those moments would ever have guessed in our wildest dreams that I would finally gain an understanding of this love by me coming out of the closet. Oh, how God works in mysterious ways. But, by having that knowledge, I was able to say what was in my heart and know that my pushing back to my bishop was the right thing to do.  That doesn't mean it hurt any less.

Telling him those words didn't hurt, mind you, but the realization of what that moment meant did: I couldn't have it all. I don't know why I thought I could. I guess I just was overly optimistic. But, at any rate, I couldn't be a gay Mormon--or, at least, not the gay Mormon I thought was possible. I got to my car and just sobbed as reality hit. I called my mom on my drive home from church and told her what had just transpired. She said, "Honey, I've been trying to prepare you for this, as I knew this was coming. I know you think you can have it all, but in this case, you can't. I'm so sorry. You've got some tough decisions to make. But, we'll get through this and you'll be even better for it." In that moment, I didn't see how that was even possible.

I don't recall the exact parting with the bishop from that meeting, but it was something along the lines of that we'd touch base soon, I was to continue to pray, yada yada yada. At any rate, I was quite surprised to get an email from him a couple of days later--an email in which he said that he'd been wrong. The more he'd thought about it and prayed about it, he said, the more he realized that I was right. My wires weren't crossed and there was nothing wrong with me. He encouraged me to be happy and to be as close to the Church as I could be as I continued through life. He said to be the best person I can be, regardless of if I'm active in church or not. And he said he always would be there to love and support me, no matter what I decided. I sat there stunned. I read and re-read that email a good dozen times. After years and years and years of feeling like I'd never have any resolution, after feeling defeated and lost, and after having to muster up bravery time and time again to share my inner-most secrets, it was over. Don't get me wrong--my battle to make it through the coming out & acceptance process wasn't even close to over; if anything, it was just beginning. But, at least my battle to have some sort of religious resolution was over. That was more than I'd had to that point.

That day, I decided that I would do exactly what the bishop said: to be the best person I could be, regardless of my religious standing. Over the years since then, I've had several people comment to me that I'm one of the few people they've known to be gay and not have hard feelings towards the Church. I guess I never saw a point to be any other way. What purpose would that serve? To me, I'd only be replacing what had been an incredibly painful and large part of my life with even more negativity if I went on a Church-hating rampage. When I came out, I immediately experienced a huge amount of mental freedom. No longer was I spending every spare waking moment hating myself. In fact, it occurred to me that I didn't even know what to think about if I wasn't spending the time beating myself down. There was no need to go back to that point, so I wanted to fill the vast amount of thinking space with more positivity and happiness--not with disdain for a gospel I still loved.

This required me to make one massive distinction that I'd never before given much thought: I decided that to get ahead with the most joy and least amount of loss from Church inactivity, I had to separate spirituality and religion. And, beyond that, I had to give up on the "why" questions. Why me? Why am I gay? Why does God allow this? I couldn't think of a possible scenario in which I'd gain any satisfactory answers in this lifetime, so those questions had to be put on the shelf to be dealt with in the next life. It didn't matter why; that doesn't change my reality. So, then the question became, what am I going to do with this? Living my best life was a bit too vague. Good, but vague. I had to use it to achieve some greater purpose. I did not go through Hell and back only to just say "well, there it is" and get on with life. No. I had earned the right to much more than that.

It took me a little while, particularly because I had to give myself time to feel comfortable in my own skin, but I finally figured out what it was that I did earn: the opportunity to help others going through similar experiences. I didn't just have sympathy, I had pure empathy. And to me, nothing can trump that when you're in need of someone who understands you. Because of the suicide of my stepbrother during my senior year of high school, I'd already committed to never knowingly let someone feel alone or unloved, no matter how little I may know the person. The later added focus to help others struggling with homosexuality really built upon that commitment and gave me more purpose. To accomplish this, however, meant that I was going to have to be open and let people into parts of my life that I once never fathomed I'd be sharing with even my closest friends, let alone total strangers. But, if that's what it took to help ensure that I could impact even one person in this lifetime, it would make every second of my personal struggle worth it. And that would then become my "why" answer, if there ever was one.

Most people who know me would say my life is a pretty open book. Those same people would be quite surprised to know just how closed off I really can be. Among other things, the mere fact that no one would ever have guessed the degree of my inner-turmoil all of those many years, as I tend to be a very social & positive person on the outside, is basic proof of that. So, it took some serious thought and time weighing out the pros and cons of how to proceed. I ultimately decided that at the end of the day, this was my story to tell and I wanted to be the one to control the message instead of leaving it open to interpretation--or even worse: rumors. I'd seen the rumor mess happen to a classmate of mine & I did not want that to happen to me. To combat this, I sat down and wrote an open letter that I eventually posted on Facebook so that it reached the bulk of the people who might even care to begin with. I felt so naked doing that, but I knew that was the only feasible thing to do in order to just move on with my life already.
Leading up to this, I had actually been out of the closet for about three years. The few friends and family members who did know my truth were told to not mention or even hint about it on Facebook, as I did not want anyone (including my father) finding out without me conscientiously making that happen. But, I had grown weary having to so closely monitor anything that was posted. At that same time, I had dated a handful of guys and was enjoying what was becoming my longest-lasting relationship to that point with a man I'll simply call Doc (to help preserve his privacy).

After several short-term relationships with people who turned out to not be such good or nice people in the end, I was over relationships. I had decided that I just needed to surround myself with good people and to make new friends, preferably ones like myself who are gay but don't define themselves by it. In that spirit, I answered an online personals ad from someone who sounded like they were in the same boat as me. They happened to be gay and just wanted someone cool to go hang out with, go to the movies with, etc. This person was Doc and he respected that I'd been very badly hurt emotionally in my last relationship. We had a blast just hanging out together. And, over time, we had a great friendship going. I still had oh-so-much baggage I was dealing with and had built up a huge wall emotionally, but he gave me my space. Then, one day we were driving to dinner and arguing over something stupid when he turned to me in the middle of it and said, "I get that you have a lot you're still working through and I am fine to give you the time to do so. But, I can't pretend anymore that I don't love you, because I do." I was stunned. I said, "You love me?" He said, "Yes, I do." I said, "Well, that's good, because I love you, too."

Over time, as that relationship continued to grow, it was becoming harder & harder for some friends and family members to not post Facebook comments that included Doc's name just as a natural course of conversation. I had to delete many comments and send private notes explaining the reasoning--and it was always that it might lead someone to suspect that Doc was more than just a friend.
Finally one day, a post made it onto my wall and I wasn't to where I could easily delete it while I was running about town doing errands. That's when I decided I'd had enough. I was strong enough to handle whatever unkind words may be thrown at me from even the most vocal family members or friends. I immediately pulled into a Target parking lot and called my dad. I told him that, while I didn't want to be, the fact is that I am gay. I did everything I was supposed to, but nothing had changed that reality. And, not only that, but I was in a serious relationship with a guy. "Oh, and by the way, Dad, he's black, so Grandma is probably reallllllly rolling over in her grave by now." (I love my dad's mom dearly, but she had an unfortunate streak of racism in her.) Dad's response shocked me. He said, "Well, Son, it sounds like you did everything I'd advise you to do. You prayed, you fasted, you worked with your bishop, and you even tried counseling. I know it's not what you would want and it's not what I would want for you, but it doesn't change anything. You're still my son and I love you just the same. Oh, and Grandma probably is happy for you, too, as I'm sure she's got a different perspective on things now."

That conversation did my soul so much good. It needed to happen and I'd put it off long enough. I was then free to open up to others, which is when I posted my open letter. I called it my "Doozy of a Note". And it was a doozy. I went ahead and posted it on Facebook--and then waited for the deluge of insulting responses from well-meaning individuals who were "loving the sinner and hating the sin". (Incidentally, I do not think there could be a more judgmental statement than that & I despise it.) Yet, the exact opposite happened. People I'd not seen or spoken with in years were commenting or sending me private emails offering support and encouragement. Multiple people even emailed to say that they believed their son or daughter is gay and that I helped them understand how to help that child. Some were even more personal and I'll not share their stories out of respect for the people who opened up to me about their own struggles, but needless to say, I was awestruck not only by the amount of love & support that was being poured out to me, but by the fact that my sharing this information about my life had even a small impact on some individuals. I felt so grateful and so humbled. And relieved. Life could finally just be life.
Well, kind of, anyway. There was one person I still could not bring myself to tell--my other grandma, my mom's mom. Oh how I did not want to disappoint Grandma. I was the one grandchild who had been active, served a mission, and seemingly lived the active Church life she wanted all of her kids and grandkids to live. She had high hopes I'd be married in the temple and have a large family. To dash that dream for her was more than I could handle; to do so while also telling her I was gay was out of the question. And yet, a chain of events eventually required me to do just that before all of us (including Doc) would be in Boston for my oldest sister's graduation from law school.  I wrote Grandma a letter and explained everything the best I could; my mom made it a point to go visit my grandma the weekend after the letter was sent so that she could be there to answer questions and re-assure her that I'm fine. I almost had a heart attack from stress while waiting for Grandma's response. Once her letter did arrive, she said in it that my being gay made her cry--not because she was disappointed in me, but because it'd been such a struggle for me. She assured me of her love for me and said she was looking forward to seeing me and meeting Doc. Still, I had my reservations about all of that happening.

But, happen it did. Grandma is truly one of the sweetest people God has ever put on this earth and I never for a second thought that she would say something rude or unkind to Doc or in front of me. At worst, I thought she'd perhaps make a comment to Mom in her own passive-aggressive way when we weren't around that would let me know she didn't approve of Doc or that she was displeased with me. It would still be said kindly, but it'd be insight into how she truly felt. However, the day after introductions had been made & we'd all spent time together, Mom told me that she'd spoken with Grandma one-on-one that morning and Grandma said how much she liked Doc. I was flabbergasted. But that was only the tip of the iceberg of things to come.

As part of our plans while in Boston, we wanted to take Grandma on a whale watching tour that Mom & I had previously enjoyed. We all ventured to the pier and waited for the ferry. Grandma and I both share in having knee problems, so we sat down while the others milled about. We sat there looking at the ocean and chatted for a bit. Then, Grandma turned to me and said something along the lines of, "It's been so great meeting Doc. He seems like such a good guy. Honey, I know this isn't all what you would have picked for yourself, but life doesn't always go as we plan, does it? I'm just so glad you found such a nice guy. It's so hard to find love in this life and I'm glad that you have found it. That makes me really happy." She didn't need to say anything further; I knew in that moment that I had been mistaken in thinking this was something I should keep from her. My grandma continues to amaze me with the limitless boundaries of her love and it means the absolute world to me to know she is happy for me and with me.
In the years since then, Doc and I have been so blessed to build a wonderful life together. At the time I'm writing this, we're a couple of weeks away from our five-year anniversary. As with any relationship, it has its own challenges, but we're fortunate to have a wonderful group of friends--both gay and straight--who are true friends and who love us just for being us. It still amazes me to see that happen, as a part of me still anticipates the same rejection I felt growing up. Gym class was always the worst, so I came to absolutely hate (and I don't use that word lightly) any sort of team sports. Thus, the fact that Doc & I are now playing in an LGBT charity kickball league is mindboggling on so many levels.
I know I have so far to go and always have areas for personal improvement, but I have such a profound sense of gratitude to be where I am today & to have such inner peace. If I can help bring that to another soul in even the smallest of ways, then I hope & trust that the Lord will lead me to that so I can be of service. That will make it so that all of this will have been worth it for this boy who grew up feeling so alone and out-of-place, but who now feels loved and at peace!
I wouldn't in a million years choose to be gay. But, of course, we don't always get what we want. We do, however, have the ability to make the most of it. I wasted so much time hating myself and despising what really amounts to just be a small part of what makes me who I am. Coming out allowed me to stop wasting time self-hating and I now spend that time living each moment to the fullest. Words can't even begin to explain what that feels like. It also makes me sad that so much time was wasted unnecessarily.  I didn't necessarily need to come out at an earlier age, as I think things happen when they do for a reason, but I could've spent a lot more time learning to love myself so that I then could realize that others can love me, too.

If I could go back and tell the young version of me anything, it would be: 1) you are loved just the way you are, flaws and all; and 2) it truly does get better. I'd want the young me to have that knowledge and the hope that would have made many, many dark days perhaps a little brighter and less lonely.
Do I have it all? No, I don't. But, I have enough. Learning to make my spirituality be independent from religion has been a huge factor in getting to this point. I am encouraged by the progress I see in the Church's acknowledgement that greater work needs to be done to let gay members feel more included and loved. The steps they're taking are good. The steps Church members need to take, however, are even greater. Church members don't need to understand the struggle fully. But, they do need to understand that it's an unwanted struggle that does not benefit one iota from judgment, gossip, or unkind words. At the end of the day, we are all spirits on this journey called life. If we are true followers of Christ and not just Christian in name only, lifting one another up along the way should be a much higher priority to us than spending our time judging the struggles of one another. My spirit is finally at peace and I'm profoundly grateful for that. I didn't think that going against my religious beliefs would ever bring me peace; it just doesn't make sense. But, when we realize we are more than any given religion and that physical religious rites are not what determines our personal worth, peace can be brought to and from our spirits.


I think of religion as a vehicle that helps to carry our spirituality. Most of us don't know how all of the components of a vehicle works; we just know that it gets us from one point to another & we have faith it will do so. But, as with any vehicle, it can have its fair share of problems. It needs tune-ups and maintenance to keep going. Sometimes those tune-ups don't go correctly or are going to be lengthy, so we're forced to not use our vehicle while it gets fixed. It doesn't mean we don't need to still get from one point to another; it just means we have to figure out another way to accomplish that. In the case of the Church's (and more specifically, Church members') current lack of acceptance and inclusion of their gay brothers and sisters, our spirituality is left without the vehicle it once fit so nicely within. And, quite frankly, it sucks. But, whether our solution is to find another vehicle in which to carry our spirituality, or learning to carry it ourselves, we do so. We have to. Otherwise, we're at a standstill and not getting to where we need to be. That's a horrible position in which to find one's self. I'm ever-so-grateful that--as painful as it has been at times--I've been able to keep carrying my spirituality forward. And, I readily acknowledge it hasn't been done completely on my own. Loving friends and family (many of whom are active Church members) inspire me, reach out to me, and accept me, despite my many shortcomings. That means the world to me as I continue to define for myself what it means to be a gay Mormon--something I never wanted, but am nonetheless.

Sunday, December 1, 2013

Love...It's That Simple

Explanation from me. My name is Carole T. Warburton. I started this blog to increase understanding about our LGBTQ community. The first three are interviews I've done with mothers with gay children. I, along with the mothers, and in some cases, the children, are co-authors on these posts. Without exception, each mother I've sat down to talk with has taught me so much and has filled my heart with increased love. Please spend some time with an incredible woman and mother, Carolyn Bentley. 

By Carolyn Bentley and Carole T. Warburton
Our son Matthew has always been very bright and had a life of the mind that has sustained him throughout his life. As he was going through elementary, middle, and high school, his interests gravitated to music and theatre. In high school, he was involved in student government and went to all the dances, although it was always in groups. After high school graduation, he studied at BYU. And I know now he had a really fine bishop there, who talked to him about some of his feelings. He hadn’t talked to us yet. As I’ve said many times, the person sitting behind the desk in the bishop’s office is critical when a young person shares his feelings. Matt’s been quite blessed and had only one or two who have been kind of tough. Whether the person [bishop] uses that position as a sword or a salve is vital. 

We wept: He went through college very happily. He went on a mission to Argentina. Served honorably. Graduated from college at BYU. Then was accepted to grad school in Virginia. He lived not far from his big sister Annie, and he would visit there often. One night, Annie came down the stairs and found Matt crying. She came and sat by him and he told her his secret. He’d been struggling with his sexuality for a long time. To his bishop in Charlottesville, he’d served as an executive secretary and they had conversations about his situation. It wasn’t until he told Annie, that he called us. And when he told us, he and I wept. And the tears weren’t necessarily from “Oh shoot, I have a son who is gay.” They were rooted in the same concerns he had. He wanted a family. He knew it was going to be a life that was more challenging. And that it would be very difficult for him to maintain his church membership and have the life of love that he wanted. The next thing he did was ask how his father would be about this revelation.  But he needn’t have worried, his father was very compassionate and accepting. I don’t think this surprised Matt, but it’s still always a concern how the father feels. It seems to be a greater struggle for fathers to accept. 


Prayerful answer: He was so earnest about trying to find a way to be ok with who he was and still be part of his religion of origin. And he finally got a clear message. He went to the temple a lot and he had a very strong sense come to him, that basically said to “Matthew, go and find a life.” And so he did. He left the church. It grieved him. I think he did about everything he could to stay. But I also think that his staying could have been lethal. He didn’t have a love interest at the time he left the LDS Church. He’d never dated anyone of the same sex. 

By and by, he met Frank. And Frank was a member of the Episcopal Church in Charlottesville. So Matt joined that faith and they became partners. I had worried about him meeting someone because he was so vulnerable. I worried about the wrong person coming into his life. I had hoped to just process this for a while. But when he called to tell us about Frank. I asked, “Is he a good man?” “ Oh mom, he is the best man.” And he is. We are very blessed that way. So that’s how it came about.  By the time he met Frank he would have been close to thirty. He and Frank were made for each other. I tell you it is one of those magical things, this relationship. They’ve been together ten years. 

Who is Welcome at Christ’s Table? I was asked to give a lesson in a special Relief Society night meeting about living close to Christ and I chose to approach it through The Feast of Christ and who is welcome at his table. I decided it was time to tell the truth about our son. I checked with Matt first and he was in agreement. At some point during the lesson, I asked the question? Is everyone welcome at the table? Oh yes, absolutely. Even Sinners? Yes, we all agreed everyone was welcome. Especially the broken. I asked, Are gay people welcome at His table? There was kind of a hesitance then, yes, they are. Do any of you know a person who is gay? And no one raised a hand. I said, “Most of you know my son Matt . . . he’s gay. I think you should know that because you know how wonderful he is.” I thought that was a good way to break the ice among the women in our ward and start to speak with one another more honestly. But what was really interesting is that afterwards five women came up to me and told me that either their son, or daughter, or nephew was gay. Again, that tells you something about where we were in terms of addressing it, and just letting it be part of the truth in the room so we can be sisters. And actually what I had said is after I asked the question, was You do know someone who is gay. They just haven’t told you yet. And whether or not you are the person they would tell, might be a question you’d want to ask yourself. It will be easier for some than others. Don’t beat yourself up, if it is difficult for you. But listen and be the person they can come to. 

I think it would be nice if we had a more open discussion in our wards. I think it would be really lovely if we could sit in Relief Society and make a comment or say, sisters, I’m struggling with this. Or will you pray for me because…. I would love the day when a dialogue about our gay members is just about how to be helpful to them instead of about where to put them or what they can’t do. And there are some people in our ward who are loving and supportive. But there have been times when many limiting, dismissive, marginalizing statements have been made, and such categorical and hurtful things I hear while we sit within the walls of the church. I feel the potential of a true sisterhood is not being fulfilled. I think it would surprise many in the R.S. sisterhood that there have been times when I have either walked out or felt I wanted to walk out and never come back. That is just very sad.

The support of family and friends: In our family, I had absolutely no question that there wouldn’t be one person who would say, “Oh dear! That is tragic.” In fact there was this great outpouring of love. This was across the board, without exception, including my parents who were in their 80’s at that time. I just knew they would all be loving, and there is great comfort in that. It says a lot that I expected nothing less of them all. To a person, they were very sweet. They said, oh, we’ve always loved him. And I’m so glad he has Frank. It was really a lovely kind of revelation to me.  I think people can surprise us in good ways. Don’t sum them up. Don’t always protect them from this information. Don’t sell them short of who they can be when we tell them about our sons or daughters or sisters or brothers. Give them a chance to be that person who is more loving than even they knew. 

People can be supportive by continuing to show interest. Our friends and family have done this for us. They ask us how Matt and Frank are doing. I love it when they include Frank. So as a friend to those who have a gay family member, stay interested. Most of our friends have been fantastic. Some were curious and wondered how we handled it and we were fine with that because they were at least interested in understanding our process. Being able to talk about it and even open someone else’s mind is a good thing. We’ve had really good friends who always ask about Matt. Even our friends who are more “straight-liners,” more conservative in their beliefs about the issue of gay members of the Church  seem genuinely happy for Matt to have found a life of love and of the spirit.

On LGBT and church leaders: There are many ways to be ok and be gay. There are people who stay in the church, who can because of the emotional makeup of their persona. Those who fall in the less intensely pulled toward the attraction on spectrum of same sex attraction. There are people who stay and agonize. They stay and they are constantly clenched fists, anguished, and feeling left out. There are people who stay and say in essence, “I can give up a relationship and a life of love and show my devotion by staying and serving and being chaste.” We had a good friend who was a bishop on campus [USU] and he was fantastic. He would have young people come in and say, “I think I’m going to have to leave the church.” It wasn’t always someone who was gay that would come to him, but in any case he would say. “I want you to be happy. I will help you get to the place you can to be happy” Which is an amazing and powerful response, instead of, “You know, if you leave it’s all over…….slippery slope…. empty chair in the Celestial Kingdom” and all of that rhetoric of fear and dismissal. He just said, How can I help you? I love you. If you leave I want to stay in touch with you and still be your friend. If there is a way to help you stay, I want to do that. But I mostly want you to have a life. I mostly want you to flourish.” And quite often, if the person knew the bishop really cared about their struggle, they sometimes realized that they could stay, because they were accepted for who they are. This bishop friend didn’t do it in a calculating way at all. It was sincere. And some of these young people thought, “Gee, if I can come talk to the bishop sometimes, I’ll be ok.” For this bishop, it was never about wielding the sword. And I think the fact that many leaders use words and power as swords, we are losing gay members. We’re losing the friends of gay people. It’s like Andrew Solomon [author of “Far from the Tree”] said, This is not an illness - it’s an identity. We don’t have to fix this.
  


On faith:  I’m really comfortable in the gray area. I guess that’s one of the reasons I can stay in the church. That’s where I can exercise my faith. There are very few things I know for sure - very, very few. And most of them have to do with love. Other things, they’re kind of fungible. As a church we continue to evolve - even our doctrine has changed throughout our history. What can you say that is absolute about our Church? It’s our connection to Christ and our sacred and unique ties to Him. It’s about a context to practice living His teachings. And it is practice. But at the root of it all, it is love, isn’t it? Isn’t that the principle? It is also about community, and for many reasons, this is the community we choose to belong to, peculiar conventions and policies and all.

For Marion and me, it is about how we can maintain a sense of belonging and safety and fellowship. It’s been difficult sometimes. It’s been really hard to sit in a room and hear harsh things said. I have close relatives who have left the church who can’t figure out why we are staying, and are even upset that we don’t just get out. I always feel a little defensive about this, because every single one of us gets to have our own journey. It’s our trip. And I really feel that it’s important for me to stay within this church community to be part of the dialogue. If I leave, in a sense my ability to help change things, will be gone. We have seen in the last 20 years a slow change in the rhetoric from most of our leaders. I hold out hope that we will continue to progress toward other changes. We not only lose our gay members when they leave the Church, but too often to suicide, which is not acceptable. No More Goodbyes!

There’s a great Catholic activist nun, Joan Chittister. She is one of my models in this regard. She and Carol Lynn Pearson are right there by each other. And Joan said the same thing - why would I want to leave, when what I really want to do is stay and keep things moving forward? Keep it a dynamic kind of conversation. I see Carol Lynn Pearson as that person for us. She just keeps those questions and the possibilities we have for learning and changing out there in front of our church leaders. She’s a loving critic. The leaders respect her and she has the ability to say what she thinks without offending. Marion and I both struggle with that. How do we say what we think and really believe deeply about our son, as well as other struggling gay members of the LDS Church, without exploding all over everyone? So that is really a challenge. Mostly it’s done with asking the right questions rather than giving answers. 

Being blunt: I think it would be helpful to have a really good panel or fireside in every ward, to talk openly about this issue of understanding and accepting our gay friends an family members . I would love to have it be part of a fifth Sunday meeting with parents of gay children, psychologists, and if they are willing, a gay member of the LDS Church. A panel fielding questions – and any question is okay. This whole fixation on the sexual aspect of gay relationships is very strange. And it’s insulting. How often do we define heterosexuals by what they do in the bedroom? What I said to my stake president was, “It’s sex, the mechanics of it are weird anyway. Get over it. It’s just part of a relationship. Why would you reduce anyone to that?” Most gay people want what all of us want – a relationship of sharing all aspects of our lives, mutual support, respect and the sense of being cherished.

Continuing Revelation? I think the statement “we will know more when we are ready for it [change]”, or the statement that a certain revelation wasn’t given until we were ready for it is fascinating. I just want to say “Can’t we get ready? Can’t we get there earlier? Can’t we evolve? Can’t we move forward and be ready? Why should God wait around for us to give us His latest word, when we’ve already been given it – the word is love, love, love, love. 

For the mother and family who is struggling: I fear I may hurt people by seeming that I have it all figured out. It’s just love. It’s your child. I know it isn’t that simple for some people. If you’ve had that spiritual almost elemental narrative throughout your life about the black and white – that this is right and this is wrong, it takes a brave person to start looking for the nuances and the contradictions and inconvenient truths we each personally live in. For the person who is new to it and who is in agony, basically all I can do is listen. I don’t think I can tell them to evolve. All I can say is, “If you want to talk, I am willing to listen and to share.” I don’t want to come across too strong but I would say that most people eventually figure out that this is what they were given. I would say to someone new to the knowledge that their child is gay what I feel the Savior would say. “This child was given you for this very purpose, for you to learn something and you will be amazed at who you really are. You will learn things about yourself that you didn’t know. Even though this is agony right now, I promise you, you will come out knowing things about yourself and your capacity to love that you had no reason to know before. You may have thought, ‘Oh yes, I love my children,’ but this will be the hardest thing and the best thing you can ever do for this child. 

Blessings: We feel what Christ’s love is actually like. Why He chose to be with those who were marginalized, why He chose to be with those who were disenfranchised, struggling, or feeling less. This experience of having a gay child revealed to Marion and me who we were as a parent team, what we are capable of together, and we are richer for this experience. And our children who struggle with this and other problems, well, they get to know that we love them and there is No condition or limit to that. It’s really important to us for our children to know that, whether or not they are in the church of their heritage or another faith, or even if wonder if they have a Savior. We have a child who struggles to know that there is a caring power, a personal deity who accepts her. But I think she knows what love is. And if our children can know this, that’s the essence of what the Savior lived. This journey has taught us to hopefully be better and less judgmental about people who struggle, no matter what the struggle is. This challenge gave us as a married couple, a kind of a dynamic that served us well as a team. It was kind like a gift - reminding us what this marriage is about; it’s about unity and trying to do good and help our children flourish. It has made me aware of inequities in other areas in life. It’s given me friends I would never have known. I mean really important deep friendships because there are no bounds to it. 

I would say to other parents who are struggling, This is a sacred journey you are going go on and Christ will be with you the whole time if you let that love in. And try really hard not to think about what others think. (We do tend to care very much in our church, about the “other” and about how we appear in the Sunday Showcase.) There is that sort of model family thing we have going for us - affluent, fun, everyone’s going on missions, etc……and this is admirable, but move away from that and embrace the family that you are. A family is whoever shows up for the people who need them. And if you aren’t the family for the LGBT child, they will find another family and it will not necessarily be a good thing, and you will miss out on all the growing there is to be done, and you will miss out on your child’s search for a life of happiness and love. Wouldn’t you want to be that family for him or her? Wouldn’t you want to?